Frame and dividers unexpected behavior
Hi, I have observed some unexpected results when simulating a case of windows with and without frame/dividers.
I've chosen a glazing with an U-value of 3 and frame/dividers with a conductance of 9.5W/m²K. The thermal properties of the frame/dividers are worse than the glass but what I have found is that the heat loss in the case of the window without frames is higher than the heat loss of the window with frames.
And the heating load is higher too, with the extra solar gain not being enough to compensate the extra loss from the windows. I haven't been able to find the explanation for this.
If anyone wants to try, you can use this simple model: https://cloud.ecoeficiente.es/d5un21wA
It is in v22.2 and v9.4. Use Chicago weather. It has two equal zones with one window (one with frames and the other without).
Thanks!
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I lowered the glazing U to 2 W/m2-K, and ran the model for a CZ-7 location. Comparing zone air sensible heating rate (W): I see a 4% increase (over the run period) when adding frames/dividers (FD), yet a 2% decrease in MAX (peak) rate. Those % remained similar when hiking FD solar absorptance. Noticed the SimpleGlazingSystem model. A more apples-to-apples comparison IMHO would be to define a double-glazing fenestration product using WINDOW, and generate/compare 2 sets of E+ inputs/outputs:
Thanks Denis. I also tested it with the layer-by-layer glazing (not the simple), with similar results.
With other climates I also observed the expected result of having higher heating with frames.
That's why I indicated to use Chicago, as one with the unexpected results.
OK. Ran the original model vs Chicago EPW, and did notice an unexpected 4% decrease in zone air sensible heating rate (W) over the run period, when adding FD. With such a high frame conductance, heat/loss gain would be sensitive to exposed areas. FD inputs seemed IMO a bit off, so changed a few:
... now got a 4% increase over the run period. I should have changed the CoG U (maybe 2, not 3). In the end, FD inputs matter.
Thanks Denis. My FD input may be not defining a frame in all its extension. However, according to the Engineering Ref and the expected thermal behavior, even with a reduced definition I find no reason for the decrease.
You have changed into a higher exposed area and increased overall transmission with the 1.5 edge/center ratio, which degrades window enough to revert the results.
My aim with that simplified definition was to easily compare the same exposed areas with a higher conductance of the frame (and lower solar transmission), where the results are unexpected.